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The Messiah Had to Come Before AD 70

(P1) Judah's Scepter: Jacob's blessing holds Judah's rule in place until one particular person arrives, and the peoples will obey him. + Jacob is dying in Egypt, and the blessing he gives Judah from his bedside runs longer than any of the other eleven. It is also the oldest of these four texts and the only one with no date anywhere in it. (1) The line names an endpoint rather than a date. - "The scepter shall not depart from Judah, nor the ruler’s staff from between his feet, until tribute comes to him; and to him shall be the obedience of the peoples." (Genesis 49:10) - A scepter is a ruler's rod of office, and the staff between the feet is the same picture from another angle, planted where a seated ruler would keep it. Both stand for the right to rule. - The whole sentence turns on one word: "until." Judah's authority holds, somebody arrives, and it stops holding. Think of a night watchman told to stay at his post until his relief comes. The order tells him nothing about the hour and everything about the fact that a man is coming. - So the verse hands over an endpoint with no calendar. The dates come from the other three texts (P2 through P4). (2) The one uncertain word is not the word the promise runs on. - That word is Shiloh, and nobody is sure what it means. The proposals divide roughly three ways: a place name, a squeezed-down form of "he to whom it belongs," or "tribute to him." • In this sense it appears exactly once in the whole Hebrew Bible, which makes it a hapax legomenon, Greek for "said once." Imagine a word in a grandparent's letters that turns up nowhere else in the family papers: you can guess at it from the sentence around it, and you can never check the guess. That is where every translator of this verse stands, and it is why the English Bibles differ. - What carries the promise is the second half of the line, and that half is not in doubt. English Bibles give the obedience or the homage of the peoples; the ancient Greek version makes him the expectation of the nations. The renderings differ. The single figure at the center of them does not. - Substitute each proposal in turn and watch what refuses to move: until Shiloh comes, until the one it belongs to comes, until tribute comes to him. In all three a person arrives, and in all three the nations turn toward him. - You might think a blessing on a tribe is only a note about succession, the next chief after the last one. This one ends with the nations of the world owing their obedience to a single man, which is well past succession whichever proposal turns out to be right. (3) Ancient Jewish readers took the line as a promise of the Messiah. - Targum Onkelos, the standard Aramaic version of Genesis used in the synagogue, renders the crucial clause as a promise that rule stays with Judah until the Messiah comes, whose the kingdom is. The other Targums run the same way. • A Targum is an Aramaic rendering of the Hebrew Scriptures, part translation and part running explanation, read out after the Hebrew because most Jews after the exile spoke Aramaic rather than Hebrew. • Messiah is simply the Hebrew word for "anointed one," someone put into office by having oil poured over his head, which is how Israel's kings and high priests were installed. By the first century the word had narrowed to one particular deliverer God had promised to send. - A commentary on Genesis from the caves at Qumran, copied out before Christianity began, takes the passage to be about David's royal line and ties it to the coming king the prophets call the Branch of David. - Neither of those is a Christian source. One was sealed in a cave before there was a Christian alive to influence it. The other reached its standard form while Jews and Christians were arguing over this very verse, and it kept the messianic reading anyway. Therefore, the oldest of the four texts fixes the subject rather than the calendar: a person is coming, the peoples will owe him their obedience, and Judah's standing holds until he arrives.

(P2) Daniel's Sequence: an anointed one is cut off, and only after that are the city and the sanctuary destroyed. + Daniel 9 carries the most argued-over timetable in the Bible. Almost none of that argument is needed here, because what carries the point is the order of the events rather than the count of the years. (1) The order of events does the work, before any arithmetic at all. - "Know therefore and understand that from the going out of the word to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of an anointed one, a prince, there shall be seven weeks. Then for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again with squares and moat, but in a troubled time. And after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing. And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary." (Daniel 9:25-26) - Strike out every number in that passage and the sequence still stands on its own. An anointed one is cut off. Then a city and a sanctuary are destroyed. • "Cut off" in this kind of Hebrew ordinarily describes a life ended rather than an office vacated, and "the sanctuary" is the temple, the one holy building at the center of the city. - Translators divide over where the main pause falls in verse 25, which is why some Bibles read two anointed figures there and others read one. Verse 26 comes out the same either way: the cutting off first, the destruction after. - You do not need to know what time the train left to know that it left before the station burned down. The order is the evidence, and the order puts the anointed one first. (2) The arithmetic supports the sequence rather than carrying it. - The "weeks" are sevens, and the traditional reading takes them as sevens of years. Seven of them plus sixty-two of them makes sixty-nine sevens, which comes to 483 years. - Run that from either decree of Artaxerxes and it lands in the first century without landing on a date. He authorized Ezra in 458 BC, and 483 years later is AD 26. He authorized Nehemiah in 445 BC, and 483 years later is AD 39. - So the number is a fit inside a range of decades rather than a proof to the day. Take it for that much and no more. (3) A second-century date for the book costs the sequence nothing. - Mainstream critical scholarship dates Daniel to about 165 BC. Grant it in full. A book finished then, speaking of an anointed one cut off before a sanctuary is destroyed, still puts those two in that order nearly two centuries before the events at issue. • "Critical" here means academic rather than hostile. It describes dating a book by the evidence inside it, and on that method Daniel belongs to the persecution of the 160s BC rather than to the Babylonian exile. - What the passage needs is not an early Daniel but the right ruin. Which ruin it describes is a question about what the words mean, and no century of composition settles that either way. (4) One destruction since the book was written has taken the city and the sanctuary together. - Jerusalem and its temple were destroyed by Roman armies in AD 70, and nobody disputes it (P5). • The building that burned is what historians call the second temple, the replacement the returning exiles put up on the site of Solomon's, which Babylon had burned in 586 BC. - A first-century Jew already read Daniel of Rome. Josephus says the prophet wrote about the Roman power and about his own country being made desolate by it (Antiquities 10.276). - The rival candidate belongs on the table, and it is a serious one. Antiochus IV profaned the sanctuary in 167 BC and stopped its offerings, and the standard critical commentary takes the verse to be about him. What he did not do is destroy it. The building was still standing, and it was back in service three years later. Therefore, on the passage's own ordering an anointed one is cut off before the sanctuary comes down, and only one destruction since has taken the city and the sanctuary together.

(P3) Haggai's House: the second temple was promised a glory greater than Solomon's. + Haggai is the easiest of the four to date, because the book dates itself. Better still, the promise is nailed to a building rather than to a period. (1) The promise is attached to one particular structure. - "The latter glory of this house will be greater than the former," says the LORD of armies, "and in this place I will give peace." (Haggai 2:9) • "The LORD of armies" translates an old Hebrew title for God as commander of the armies of heaven. Older English Bibles render the same phrase "the LORD of hosts." - The year is 520 BC and the audience is a work crew. They are putting up a temple on the site of Solomon's, and the thing is a disappointment: Ezra reports that the old men who had seen the first house wept out loud when the foundations of the second were laid (Ezra 3:12). - "This house" is the building those men were standing in front of, in the mud and the rubble, and that is what makes the promise testable. A promise about an age can always be given more time. A promise about a house runs out when the house does. - The wider oracle fills the promise out. God will shake the heavens and the earth, the nations will come with their wealth, and He will fill this house with glory (Haggai 2:6-8). What the greater glory amounted to is argued over hard. That it was promised to this house is not. (2) That building had a start date and an end date. - It was finished and dedicated in 516 BC (Ezra 6:15). Roman soldiers burned it in AD 70. - Five hundred and eighty-five years, something like twenty generations, and then nothing. Whatever the greater glory was, it either arrived inside that window or the promise failed. (3) Nobody disputes when Haggai was written. - The book dates its own oracles to the second year of Darius, king of Persia, which is 520 BC, and critical scholarship accepts the setting. How the book was edited into its final shape gets discussed, as it does with every prophetic book, but nobody moves the oracles themselves out of the Persian period. • An oracle is a message delivered as the word of God through a prophet. Haggai's come stamped with the month and the day they were given, like entries in a logbook. - Two of these four texts need no dating argument at all, which is worth noticing in a subject where the dating usually eats the whole conversation. (4) No third temple has been built. - The phrase is "this house," and the house in question has been rubble since the first century. A promise about a particular building cannot be collected from a building that was never put up. - Herod's vast reconstruction, begun around 20 BC, does not break the identification. The service went on right through the work and the same house went on standing, which is why every historian dates the second temple period from 516 BC to AD 70 with Herod's masonry inside it. - Whether a temple raised on that platform in some future century could inherit the promise is a further question, and it does not touch the fact on the ground. From Haggai's day to this one, the only house that has ever answered to "this house" stood for 585 years and then burned. Therefore, a promise of surpassing glory was made to a specific building that stood for just under six hundred years and has not stood since.

(P4) Malachi's Messenger: the Lord would come to that same temple, with a herald sent ahead to clear the way. + Malachi reaches the same deadline from a different direction, and he hangs a second checkable claim on it. (1) The oracle names the same building Haggai named. - "Behold, I send my messenger, and he will prepare the way before me. And the Lord whom you seek will suddenly come to his temple." (Malachi 3:1) - "His temple" in Persian-period Judea means the standing second temple. There was only one, Haggai's crew had finished it, and nobody had replaced it. (2) A forerunner is written into the promise. - The messenger is not the Lord who comes. He goes first and clears the road, which makes this a two-part promise rather than a one-part promise. • A forerunner is somebody sent ahead to announce that another is on the way, the way a herald went out before a king so the road would be clear by the time he reached it. - Malachi's own closing lines name the herald: "Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the great and awesome day of the LORD." (Malachi 4:5) The expectation that Elijah would come back was in place in Jewish writing well before Christianity, and the Jewish wisdom book Ben Sira already takes it for granted around 180 BC. - Two moving parts are easier to catch out than one. "Someone will come" can be stretched to fit almost anybody. "A herald goes first, and then the Lord arrives at this building" has two ways of failing, and only one of them has to happen. (3) Malachi's date is not seriously in dispute either. - The book belongs to the Persian period, with estimates running from about 500 to about 430 BC. The argument between those figures turns on the Hebrew style and on the state of the temple service, and no one places the book anywhere near the events in question. - Roughly five centuries separate the writing of the promise from the burning of the building it names. (4) The coming has an address, not just an era. - "Will suddenly come to His temple" gives a manner and an address in six words. - Compare a prediction that a great leader will one day arise in the East. Nothing about that can ever come due, because it names no time, no place, and no way of telling whether it happened. Malachi names a doorway. Therefore, a second prophet, working generations after the first, attaches his promise to the same building and to the same deadline.

(C1) Therefore, the promised arrival had to fall inside the lifetime of the second temple. + A jury does not convict on one thing. It convicts on a fingerprint, a receipt, a witness who saw the car and a motive, none of them enough alone, all of them pointing one way. The usual picture for that kind of reasoning is a rope rather than a chain: cut one link and a chain is finished, but cut one strand of a rope and the rest still carry the load. Strands only compound when they can fail for different reasons, though. Four witnesses who all heard the story from the same man are really one witness, and these four texts have to be held up against each other before they can be added together. (1) No two of them come from the same author. - Genesis 49 is a deathbed blessing on a tribe, set inside a family story (P1). - Daniel 9 is a timetable inside a book of visions about the end of an age (P2). - Haggai and Malachi are short prophetic messages to the community that came home from Babylon and rebuilt the temple, and decades separate the two of them (P3, P4). - There is no shared source behind them, and no way for one of them to be quietly generating the others. (2) Genesis 49:10 names an endpoint without a date. - Judah's standing holds until the man arrives, and nothing in the verse says when that standing runs out. Historians argue over when Judah stopped being a self-governing people, and the answers spread across nine hundred years. None of them has to be settled. - So this strand fixes the subject rather than the calendar: one individual, obeyed by the nations, rather than an age or a movement. It is the strand that tells the other three what kind of thing they are timing. (3) Three texts arriving at one deadline is convergence, not duplication. - Daniel's sanctuary, Haggai's house and Malachi's temple are all the same building, and that is the convergence rather than a leak. They would be duplicates if they were three reports of one fact, and they are not. One dates a death against a destruction, one promises a glory, one promises an arrival. - Where the dependence is real is between Haggai and Malachi. Both attach a promise to that building, so a doubt about whether the second temple was owed anything lands on the pair of them at once. - Fold that pair together and the strict count is three strands rather than four. Two of the three carry a date. (4) The weakest strand is Genesis 49:10. - It has two weaknesses rather than one: the untranslatable word Shiloh, and the missing calendar. - A reader who sets the whole strand aside still has Daniel and the two temple oracles closing the same window. Being able to lose a strand and keep the conclusion is the entire reason for arguing from a rope. (5) The convergence delivers a constraint, not a name. - Any figure answering to these texts arrives before the second temple falls. That is what they say together, and it is all they say. - Whether anyone answers to them, and whether that person is Jesus of Nazareth, are separate questions resting on separate evidence. Counted at its strictest, then, three separate lines written centuries apart converge on one arrival. Two of them fix when it had to happen, and the third fixes what kind of person it had to be.

(P5) The Window Closed: the second temple fell in AD 70, and its sacrifices have never resumed. + A deadline only matters if it actually expires. This one did, and not in a way that turns on anybody's interpretation. (1) Nothing about the fall of the temple in AD 70 is disputed. - Josephus described the siege and the burning at length, and he was in a position to know. He had commanded rebel forces in Galilee, was captured in 67, and spent the rest of the war inside the Roman camp as an interpreter for Titus. - The Arch of Titus still stands in Rome with the temple furnishings carved into it, the great lampstand among them, being carried through the streets on the shoulders of soldiers. - The ash layer and the collapsed street stones are on view in the excavations along the western wall, lying where they fell. (2) The sacrifices have never restarted. - The Day of Atonement, the one day a year when the whole nation's sin was dealt with, requires a sanctuary, an altar and a serving high priest (Leviticus 16). None of the three has existed since the first century. - Nineteen centuries is the number to hold on to. The rite has now been impossible for more than three times as long as the second temple stood: about 1,950 years against 585. - Judaism has its own answer to that, and it is a serious one. Rabbinic tradition remembers Rabbi Joshua standing at the ruins and crying out that the house where atonement was made for Israel lay in pieces. Yohanan ben Zakkai answered him that there is another means of atonement just as good, the practice of lovingkindness, on the strength of Hosea's line that God desires mercy and not sacrifice (Hosea 6:6). - Christians answer from the Torah's own reason for the altar, that the life of the flesh is in the blood and it is the blood that makes atonement (Leviticus 17:11). Which text governs the other is an old argument between Jews and Christians, and no calendar is going to settle it. - What the calendar does settle is the closure. The building is gone, the rite has not been performed since, and anyone can check both. (3) Rabbinic tradition preserves its own memory of something changing around AD 30. - The Talmud reports that for the forty years before the temple's destruction the lot for God stopped coming up in the high priest's right hand on the Day of Atonement, the strip of crimson wool stopped turning white, and the westernmost lamp stopped burning. (Yoma 39b) • The Talmud is the great collection of rabbinic law and debate, compiled between roughly AD 200 and AD 600, and Yoma is the tractate, or volume, that covers the Day of Atonement. • All three were signs the priests watched for. The lot drawn from a box decided which of two goats died for the LORD, the crimson wool turning white was a token of forgiveness, and the westernmost lamp was meant to burn all night. - Forty years before AD 70 is around AD 30, which is why the passage gets quoted so often. - It is tradition rather than Scripture, written down centuries after the events it reports, by rabbis who drew no connection whatever to Jesus. Call it a curiosity in the record, then, and not a strand anything leans on. (4) The one text that predicts the fall is only as good as its date. - "And Jesus said to him, Do you see these great buildings? There will not be left here one stone upon" (Mark 13:2) - How much that is worth depends entirely on when Mark was written. Most scholars date the Gospel around AD 70, which would drain the point of most of its force. A minority case, argued in print by a scholar with no Christian commitment, puts it in the 40s at the latest. - So the prediction is suggestive rather than decisive, and the four texts do not depend on it. Therefore, the deadline those four texts point at is not a deadline anyone can reopen.

(C2) Therefore, if the Messiah promised in these texts has come at all, he came before AD 70. + Four texts, written centuries apart by men with no way of coordinating, describe one arrival. Three of them attach it to a building that stopped existing in the first century. - Judah's rule holds until a particular person arrives, and the peoples obey him (P1). - An anointed one is cut off before a city and a sanctuary are destroyed (P2). - A specific building is promised a glory greater than Solomon's (P3). - The Lord comes suddenly to that same building, with a forerunner ahead of him (P4). - Then the building burned, and the window closed (P5). What that delivers is a constraint and not an identification, and the difference is worth being exact about. Nothing here shows that Jesus of Nazareth is the person these texts describe. What it shows is that the search has a closing date and that the date has passed. Any candidate at all must have lived and died before the Roman armies finished their work in the summer of AD 70. The whole case runs only if these texts are promises of a coming deliverer in the first place, and a reader is entitled to deny that they are. Denying it is a position of its own, though, rather than a neutral standing back from the argument. The messianic reading of these texts is Jewish before it is Christian. It sits in the Aramaic synagogue versions of Genesis 49, in a commentary on that verse sealed in a cave at Qumran before there was a Christian alive, in a first-century Jew reading Daniel of Rome, and in the expectation of a returning Elijah that Jewish writers were already taking for granted around 180 BC. So a reader is left with three positions rather than the usual two. Someone answering to these texts came inside the window. Or the texts were never promises about a coming person at all, and whatever they did promise was collected long ago in the ordinary course of Persian and Greek and Roman history. Or the promises were made and not kept. All three are held by serious people, and the second and third deserve naming as the real options they are. What is not available is a fourth position in which these particular promises are still entirely ahead of us, because the house they were made to has been gone since the first century. See also: • CE / Prophecy Fulfillment: Were the Messianic Prophecies Written Before Jesus? • CE / Prophecy Fulfillment: Who Is the Servant of Isaiah 53?

On Daniel 9 and the seventy weeks: Beckwith, Roger T. "Daniel 9 and the Date of Messiah's Coming in Essene, Hellenistic, Pharisaic, Zealot and Early Christian Computation." Revue de Qumran 10 (1981). Collins, John J. Daniel: A Commentary on the Book of Daniel. Hermeneia. Minneapolis: Fortress Press, 1993. (The standard critical commentary, dating the book to the 160s BC and reading the anointed one who is cut off as the murdered high priest Onias III.) Goldingay, John. Daniel. Word Biblical Commentary 30. Dallas: Word Books, 1989. Ladd, George Eldon. The Presence of the Future: The Eschatology of Biblical Realism. Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1974. (On the already-and-not-yet pattern of New Testament fulfillment, drawn on for the six goals of Daniel 9:24.) Steinmann, Andrew E. Daniel. Concordia Commentary. St. Louis: Concordia, 2008. Tanner, J. Paul. "Is Daniel's Seventy-Weeks Prophecy Messianic?" Parts 1 and 2. Bibliotheca Sacra 166 (2009). On Genesis 49:10: Brooke, George J., et al. Qumran Cave 4.XVII: Parabiblical Texts, Part 3. Discoveries in the Judaean Desert 22. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1996. (The scholarly edition of 4Q252, the Genesis commentary from the Dead Sea caves.) Collins, John J. The Scepter and the Star: Messianism in Light of the Dead Sea Scrolls. 2nd ed. Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 2010. Sailhamer, John H. The Meaning of the Pentateuch: Revelation, Composition and Interpretation. Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press, 2009. Wenham, Gordon J. Genesis 16-50. Word Biblical Commentary 2. Dallas: Word Books, 1994. On Haggai and Malachi: Hill, Andrew E. Malachi. Anchor Bible 25D. New York: Doubleday, 1998. Verhoef, Pieter A. The Books of Haggai and Malachi. New International Commentary on the Old Testament. Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1987. On the fall of Jerusalem and the dating of Mark: Crossley, James G. The Date of Mark's Gospel: Insight from the Law in Earliest Christianity. Journal for the Study of the New Testament Supplement Series 266. London: T&T Clark, 2004. France, R. T. The Gospel of Mark. New International Greek Testament Commentary. Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 2002. Mason, Steve. Josephus and the New Testament. 2nd ed. Peabody, MA: Hendrickson, 2003. On Judaism after the second temple: Schwartz, Seth. Imperialism and Jewish Society, 200 B.C.E. to 640 C.E. Princeton: Princeton University Press, 2001. (On the patriarchate and Jewish communal leadership after AD 70.) On messianic reading of the Hebrew Bible: Brown, Michael L. Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus. Vol. 2, Theological Objections, and Vol. 3, Messianic Prophecy Objections. Grand Rapids: Baker Books, 2000 and 2003. Kaiser, Walter C., Jr. The Messiah in the Old Testament. Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1995. Rydelnik, Michael. The Messianic Hope: Is the Hebrew Bible Really Messianic? NAC Studies in Bible and Theology. Nashville: B&H Academic, 2010. Critic sources engaged: Singer, Tovia. Let's Get Biblical! Why Doesn't Judaism Accept the Christian Messiah? 2nd ed. Forest Hills, NY: RNBN Publishers, 2014. Ancient sources: Amidah, the daily Jewish prayer. (The petition asking God to make the branch of David spring up.) Avot de-Rabbi Natan, chapter 4. Translated by A. Cohen in The Minor Tractates of the Talmud. London: Soncino Press, 1965. (Yohanan ben Zakkai on atonement after the temple.) Ben Sira (Ecclesiasticus), chapter 48, c. 180 BC. (The expectation of Elijah's return.) Josephus. Antiquities of the Jews, books 10, 15, 18 and 20. Josephus. The Jewish War, books 5 and 6. 1 Maccabees 1 and 4. 2 Maccabees 4. (The deposition and murder of Onias III.) Seder Olam Rabbah. (The rabbinic chronology that runs Daniel's seventy weeks from the fall of the first temple to the fall of the second.) Talmud Bavli, Bava Batra 4a. Koren Noe edition, with commentary by Adin Even-Israel Steinsaltz. Jerusalem: Koren, 2013. (The rabbinic saying about Herod's building.) Talmud Bavli, Yoma 21b and 39b. Koren Noe edition, with commentary by Adin Even-Israel Steinsaltz. Jerusalem: Koren, 2013. (21b lists what the second temple lacked; 39b reports the forty years of failed signs.) Talmud Yerushalmi, Ta'anit 4:5. (Rabbi Akiva hailing bar Kokhba as king messiah.) Targum Onkelos, Targum Pseudo-Jonathan and Targum Neofiti at Genesis 49:10. Theodotion. The Greek text of Daniel, chapter 9. (The version of Daniel read in the early church, which runs the seven weeks and the sixty-two together.) 4Q252 (Commentary on Genesis A), Qumran Cave 4. Biblical citations: Scripture quotations are from the English Standard Version (Crossway). Genesis 49:10; Leviticus 16; 17:11; Ezra 3:12; 6:15; Proverbs 30:17; Jeremiah 25:11-12; Ezekiel 40-48; Daniel 8:14; 9:2, 24-27; 12:11-12; Hosea 6:6; Haggai 1:8; 2:3, 6-9; Malachi 3:1-5; 4:5; Mark 13:1-2.
+ Daniel is a second-century work about Antiochus IV: the anointed one cut off is the high priest Onias III, murdered in 171 BC, and the sanctuary trouble is the desecration of 167 BC. Nothing in the chapter reaches AD 70.
1. This is the mainstream critical reading of Daniel. It was not invented to embarrass Christians. It comes out of the standard critical commentary on the book, and it has real evidence behind it: - Chapter 11 tracks the wars between the Greek kingdoms that carved up Alexander's empire, in close and accurate detail. - The book's horizon is plainly the crisis under Antiochus IV, the Seleucid king who outlawed the Jewish religion in 167 BC and set up a pagan altar in the temple. • The Seleucids were the Greek dynasty that ruled Syria after Alexander's empire was divided among his generals, and Judea passed into their hands around 200 BC. - Onias III was an anointed figure in the plainest sense, a high priest of Israel, and 2 Maccabees reports his murder at Daphne in 171 BC. One detail is worth getting exactly right: he had been pushed out of the office some years before he was killed, so the reading is about a deposed high priest rather than a serving one. Anyone who answers this by pretending it is weak has not read it. 2. What Antiochus did to Jerusalem was real ruin. Two things in particular, and both of them should be granted before a word is said against them. - The Hebrew verb rendered "destroy" covers ruining and spoiling as well as levelling. A translation that reads "destroy" is not by itself saying "reduced to rubble." - 1 Maccabees describes real ruin. The city was set on fire and its houses and walls torn down (1:31), and when Judas came back to the temple he found the sanctuary desolate, the altar profaned, the gates burned and bushes growing in the courts (4:38). To a Jew writing in 165 BC, "destroy the city and the sanctuary" would not have been an absurd description of what he had just lived through. 3. The reading strains in three places. None of the three is decisive on its own. - The sanctuary went back into service. Antiochus stopped the daily offering, and three years later the altar was rebuilt and the offering resumed, which is what Hanukkah commemorates. What happened in AD 70 was never reversed, and it has not been reversed since. - The arithmetic embarrasses this reading at least as much as it embarrasses any other. Daniel 9:2 starts the chapter from Jeremiah's word about seventy years, and seventy sevens counted from any point in Jeremiah's lifetime runs decades past the 160s BC. Critical commentators generally treat the totals as round symbolic numbers for that reason, rather than as a count of actual years. That is a fair move, and it is also an admission that the numbers do not fit. - A first-century Jew read Daniel of Rome. Josephus says the prophet wrote about the Roman power and about his own country being made desolate by it (Antiquities 10.276), and he wrote it while living on an imperial pension in Rome, which is not the place to invent a Jewish oracle about the empire. 4. The dispute is about which ruin, not about the date. The objection often gets answered as though it were an argument about dating, and that is a slide worth refusing. Grant 165 BC in full, and the strand still stands or falls on one question: which ruin the passage describes. Both sides agree about the calendar. What they disagree about is the words. 5. Granted in full, the objection reaches one strand. Suppose the critical reading of Daniel 9 is simply correct. Then: - Genesis 49 is untouched by it (P1). - Haggai's promise about a specific building is untouched by it (P3). - Malachi's promise about the same building is untouched by it (P4). A rope does not come apart because one strand is cut, and this objection cuts at most one. See also: • CE / Prophecy Fulfillment: Were the Messianic Prophecies Written Before Jesus?
+ Herod rebuilt the second temple on a colossal scale, and it became one of the wonders of the ancient world. That is Haggai's greater glory, in stone, and it needed no messiah at all.
1. The renovation was real and spectacular. Herod began the work around 20 BC and it went on for decades. What came out of it was vastly larger and richer than anything Haggai's crew had built, with single stones in the retaining walls weighing hundreds of tons. Even the rabbis, who loathed the man, kept a saying about it: "One who has not seen Herod's building has never seen a beautiful building in his life." (Bava Batra 4a) Nothing is gained by minimizing that. 2. Herod's temple was the same house Haggai addressed. The work was an expansion of the standing second temple rather than a demolition and a replacement, and that is the only thing that lets the objection run at all. Herod's temple counts as "this house" precisely because it was continuous with the house Haggai stood in front of. So the objection concedes the very point the strand needs, which is that the promise had to be met before AD 70. 3. Stone and gold answer only half of what Haggai promised. The objection's best card is in Haggai's own words. He does speak of the nations coming with their wealth, so a reading in which the glory is silver, gold and cut stone has something in the text to stand on, and Herod's builders supplied that in quantity. The same sentence promises something else, though. "In this place I will give peace," and the building's last century held a Roman occupation, a governor's massacres, a revolt and a siege, ending with the house on fire. Whatever a stone-and-gold reading does with the glory, it still owes an account of the peace. There is also the comparison Haggai is actually drawing, which is with Solomon's house rather than with anything Herod would later put up. Rabbinic tradition kept its own list of what the first temple had and the second lacked, hung on a missing letter in the Hebrew of Haggai 1:8 (Yoma 21b): - the ark with its cover and cherubim - the fire that fell from heaven - the presence of God - the spirit of prophecy - the Urim and Thummim, the means by which the high priest inquired of God Herod's masons supplied none of the five. On Judaism's own accounting, the second temple was short in exactly the category Haggai's promise names. 4. Granted in full, this objection also reaches one strand. If Herod's masonry is the greater glory, then Haggai's strand is spent. Genesis, Daniel and Malachi are all still running, and Malachi in particular is untouched, since a larger building is not a Lord suddenly coming to it.
+ Shiloh is a word nobody can translate. Building an argument on a term that has no agreed meaning is building on nothing.
1. The objection is right about the word. Shiloh is genuinely obscure. The proposals split between a place name, a compressed phrase meaning "he to whom it belongs," and a phrase meaning "tribute to him." Translators have gone different ways for centuries and will keep doing so, and anybody who tells you the matter is settled is overselling. 2. The strand does not run on that word. What carries the promise is the clause after it: whatever the peoples owe, they owe to whoever this is. Its translation history runs all one way. English Bibles have the obedience of the peoples or the homage of the peoples, Jewish translations included, and the ancient Greek version makes him the expectation of the nations. Every one of those renderings has a single man at the center and the nations turned toward him. The noun behind "obedience" is not a second guess piled on top of the first, either. It turns up once more in the Hebrew Bible, at Proverbs 30:17, of the obedience a mother is owed by her son, and that is why the lexicons give it the same sense in Jacob's blessing. One obscure word in a verse does not make the whole verse obscure. Read the line with each of the three proposals in turn: - Until Shiloh comes, and to him shall be the obedience of the peoples. - Until he to whom it belongs comes, and to him shall be the obedience of the peoples. - Until tribute comes to him, and to him shall be the obedience of the peoples. In all three a person arrives and the nations obey him. The disputed word changes the flavor of the sentence rather than what it promises. 3. The ancient Jewish readings take the line as a promise of the Messiah. The Aramaic renderings used in the synagogue read it that way, and so does a commentary from the Dead Sea caves copied before Christianity began, which takes it to be about the line of David. Those readers were closer to the living language than any modern dictionary can get us, and their conclusion was not one Christians talked them into. The Aramaic renderings press it further still: they were being fixed in their standard form while Jews and Christians were arguing over this exact verse, and the messianic reading stayed in. 4. Genesis 49 is the strand a reader can afford to drop. Anyone who finds the word too uncertain to build on can set the whole strand aside. The remaining texts close the same window without it, and being able to lose a strand and keep the conclusion is the whole point of arguing from a rope rather than a chain.
+ Judah's scepter either departed long before Jesus, at the exile in 586 BC, or it never departed at all: a patriarch recognized by Rome led the Jews into the fifth century AD. Either way Genesis 49:10 fixes no deadline.
1. Both halves of the objection are fair. The second half is the harder one, and the facts underneath both halves are not in dispute. - The monarchy ended in 586 BC. No descendant of David has reigned in Jerusalem since. - Herod was an Idumean, descended from the Edomites south of Judea, whose people had been brought into Judaism by force a couple of generations before he was born. - After AD 70 Jewish communal leadership carried on under the patriarch in Galilee, the hereditary head whom Rome recognized and used to collect its Jewish tax, and the office was not abolished until the 420s. In Babylonia the same job belonged to the exilarch, the head of the Jews still living in exile there, and the exilarchs claimed descent from David and led their community for centuries after that. So a critic can push the departure back to 586 BC or forward past the fall of Rome, and there is evidence at either end. What he will not find at either end is a Jewish community that ever treated a patriarch or an exilarch as the arrival this verse waits for. The daily prayer known as the Amidah, which asks God to make the branch of David spring up, went on being said the whole time, in Galilee and in Babylonia alike, by the very people the objection points at. 2. Genesis 49:10 sets an endpoint, not a year. The promise runs until the man arrives, and the verse never says when that is. An endpoint with no date on it cannot close a window, and reading a closing date out of this verse is where arguments of this kind usually go wrong. The dates come from elsewhere. Daniel's sequence and the two temple oracles are tied to a building whose start and end anyone can look up (P2 through P4). 3. What this strand does carry is the shape of the promise. One person, not an age. Nations owing him obedience, not a dynasty carrying on. That is what tells the other three texts what kind of arrival they are timing, and it is why Genesis 49 belongs in the case at all (P1). No reading of the scepter clause makes that half easier or harder to satisfy. 4. Taken at its strictest, the objection proves too much. If the promise means an uninterrupted Judahite king on a throne, then it failed in 586 BC and no messianic reading of any kind is available, Christian or Jewish. That is a coherent position. It is also the claim that Genesis 49:10 is a failed prophecy, rather than an argument about when it was fulfilled, and it ought to be argued as the first thing rather than slipped in as the second. The looser reading is not a Christian convenience, either. The Hebrew word rendered "scepter" is shevet, and the same word does duty for a tribe, the people who gather under one chief's rod. The staff between the feet belongs to a lawgiver rather than to a crowned head. So commentators across the traditions read the line as pre-eminence among the brothers rather than a throne never once vacant, and Judah kept that much through everything. The whole people ended up named after him, which is where the word Jew comes from, and nobody was ever named after Reuben. 5. The story about Judah losing its legal powers in one particular year will not bear weight. A popular version of the scepter claim holds that Rome stripped Judah of the right to try capital cases, meaning cases carrying the death penalty, around AD 6 or AD 30, so that Genesis 49:10 fires on a specific date. The evidence for that is contested, and none of the four texts here uses it.
+ The seventy weeks can be made to land anywhere. Choose your decree, choose your year length, and the arithmetic can be steered to any date you please.
1. The complaint is fair against most versions of the calculation. The adjustable parts are real ones: - At least four decrees are candidates for the starting line: Cyrus in 538 BC, Darius around 520 BC, and two from Artaxerxes I, to Ezra in 458 BC and to Nehemiah in 445 BC. - The ancient calendars are not uniform, so a year is not always the same length of time. - Some published schemes reach a precise result only by defining a special 360-day year for the purpose. When a calculation needs a made-to-order year in order to work, the made-to-order year is doing the arguing. None of the four texts here runs on one (P2), and a reader who has met a scheme like that before is right to be wary of the next one. 2. The sequence has no adjustable parts. An anointed one is cut off, and after that a city and a sanctuary are destroyed. There is no decree to choose and no year length to set. Whatever the numbers mean, that ordering is in the text. One translation decision does enter here. Verse 25 can be punctuated so that the seven weeks and the sixty-two weeks are separate stretches with separate figures in them. Verse 26 then reads exactly as before, putting the cutting off after the sixty-two weeks, so the ordering survives the decision either way. 3. The general fit is worth stating at the level it can bear. Artaxerxes authorized Ezra in 458 BC, and 483 years later is AD 26. He authorized Nehemiah in 445 BC, and 483 years later is AD 39. So the calculation delivers a stretch of thirteen years in the early first century rather than a date, and serious scholarship defends it at that strength and no higher. Offered as a fit, it is honest and modest. Offered as a proof to the day, it collapses under exactly the objection being raised.
+ The Talmud passage about the forty years is a late rabbinic legend written centuries after the fact, and the rabbis who recorded it drew no connection to Jesus whatsoever.
1. Every word of that is true. The tradition appears in a tractate of the Babylonian Talmud compiled centuries after AD 70. The rabbis who preserved it saw it as evidence of divine displeasure with the priesthood and with that generation, not as evidence about a Galilean preacher, and they would have rejected the Christian use of it firmly. 2. Nothing rests on it. It is offered as an oddity in the record and labeled tradition rather than Scripture (P5), and removing it does not move the conclusion an inch. The load-bearing fact in that premise is not a tradition at all. The temple fell and the sacrifices stopped, which is a matter of public record on all sides, and that is what makes the deadline final. 3. A reader will meet the passage somewhere, usually overstated. It is quoted all over the internet with far more confidence than it can support, and often without the date of the source attached. Meeting it with its problems already named is better preparation than meeting it later without them.
+ Mark 13 was written after AD 70, so Jesus predicted nothing. The Gospel writer knew how the war ended and wrote the prediction into his account.
1. The majority dating does favor the objection. Most scholars date Mark to around AD 70, and some place it after. On that dating the passage carries little evidential weight. It is suggestive rather than decisive, and (P5) claims no more for it. 2. The minority case is not a devotional one. The most detailed published argument for an early Mark, putting it in the 40s at the latest, was made by a scholar writing with no Christian commitment, and he reasons from how the Gospel handles the Jewish law rather than from any theological interest. A reader is entitled to weigh it as what it is: a serious minority position, and not a settled result. 3. The saying does not describe what an eyewitness of AD 70 would put first. One popular form of this point invites an easy comeback. "Not one stone upon another" is sometimes set against the Western Wall still standing, as though the prediction overshot. It did not. The words are about "these great buildings," meaning the temple complex, and the wall in question is the retaining wall of the platform underneath it. The buildings really were taken apart. What is worth noticing is quieter than that. Every ancient account of AD 70 leads with fire. Josephus has soldiers carrying flame through the porticoes and the sanctuary burning while the fighting goes on around it, and the ash from that day is still in the ground in the Jewish Quarter. Mark 13 has no fire in it at all, only stones pulled down one from another, which is a strange thing to compose with a burnt ruin in front of you. That is a straw in the wind rather than a proof, and it is worth exactly that much. 4. Nothing in the conclusion depends on this. Delete the Mark passage and the four texts are untouched, since all four are Old Testament texts whose dating has nothing to do with when a Gospel was written. See also: • CE / NT Criticism: Early Dating and Eyewitness Proximity of the New Testament
+ These are four Christian readings of four Jewish texts. Jewish interpreters have read all four differently for two thousand years, and they know the language.
1. The tradition behind the objection deserves respect. Two thousand years of close reading is evidence, and this reading was done by people who have lived inside the language and inside the texts, and whose stake in both is total. Treating that as an obstacle to be talked around would be both rude and foolish. 2. On Genesis 49:10, the ancient Jewish witnesses are on the same side. The synagogue Targums take the line as a promise of the Messiah, and so does a commentary from the Dead Sea caves copied before Christianity existed. Whatever later interpreters concluded, the earliest Jewish readings available are not opponents of the Christian reading here. 3. On the temple oracles, no interpretation is required for the part that matters. Haggai and Malachi attach their promises to the second temple. That is what the text says and what commentators of every persuasion agree it says. The disagreement is about what the promises meant, not about which building they concerned. 4. The disagreement about Daniel 9 has to be settled on the text. It will not be settled by counting heads on either side. The serious version of the objection is the standing rabbinic reply to Christian missionary claims, worked out in print, and its core is the second-century reading of the chapter, which stands or falls on what the text says about a destroyed sanctuary.
+ This is cherry-picking. You gather the passages that suit a first-century window and pass over the ones that do not.
1. The timed passages left out were left out for stated reasons. Four texts carry the argument. The other timed passages in the Hebrew Bible are absent because each one lands somewhere else, and it is worth walking through them. - Daniel 8 counts 2,300 evenings and mornings and never says from when. Daniel 12 counts 1,290 days and then 1,335, starting from the removal of the regular sacrifice, which the standard commentaries put in 167 BC. Both land in the crisis under Antiochus rather than at any first-century event. - Jeremiah's seventy years for the exile is timed, and it came due inside the Old Testament itself. - Ezekiel 40 through 48 describes a temple in enormous architectural detail and attaches no date to it whatever. What the four have in common is not that they suit a conclusion. Three of them end at an event anyone can date, and the fourth is there to say what kind of arrival the other three are timing (P1). 2. Alleged failures of prophecy are a real question. A case that gathers only successes has not earned anybody's trust. Where prophetic texts are said to have failed, those cases deserve a full examination on their own terms. 3. Three separate strands are not a pile of weak items. Cherry-picking works by counting weak items until the heap starts to look impressive. The claim here runs the other way: three genuinely separate strands, the weakest of them named out loud, and a conclusion that survives losing any one of them (C1).
+ Even granting the window, it does not point to Jesus. Judea produced a long line of messianic claimants before AD 70, and any of them fits a deadline just as well.
1. The window constrains rather than identifies. That is correct, and (C2) says so. Four texts together deliver a constraint rather than a name, and the window has other people standing in it: - Judas the Galilean, who led a revolt against the Roman census in AD 6. - Theudas, who promised to part the Jordan and was cut down by Roman cavalry. - The Egyptian prophet who gathered a crowd on the Mount of Olives expecting the walls of Jerusalem to fall down, and who got away when the troops arrived. - The leaders of the war that began in AD 66. Nothing here rules any of them out. 2. A constraint that eliminates is worth having. This one eliminates a great deal. Sixty years after the temple fell, Simon bar Kokhba led the second revolt against Rome, struck coins dated to the first year of the redemption of Israel, and was hailed as the king messiah by Rabbi Akiva, on the report of rabbinic tradition itself. He is the clearest case of the constraint doing work. Whatever is said for him or against him, he arrived too late, and so does every candidate after him. 3. An "if" at the front is not the same as an empty claim. There is a sharper version of this objection worth meeting: that a conclusion opening with "if the Messiah promised in these texts has come at all" is safe precisely because it asserts nothing. It asserts something plenty of people deny. It says that one whole class of positions is closed, the class in which these particular promises are still waiting on an arrival ahead of us, and that class is not empty. 4. Choosing among the candidates inside the window is a different argument. It turns on what else the texts say: birthplace, manner of death, what happened afterwards, and whether anyone in the ancient world was ever persuaded that a given claimant satisfied them. Those are separate cases resting on separate evidence.
+ The honest conclusion is that the prophecies failed. The deadline passed, no recognized messiah came, and the Jewish community that owns these texts says so.
1. That the promises simply failed is a live option. If they were made to a building that burned with nothing recognizable having happened, then they were not kept. That is a coherent reading of the evidence, it is held by serious people, and refusing to name it as an option would not be straight with the reader. 2. It is one of the three options the conclusion leaves open. Someone answering to these texts came inside the window. Or the texts were never promises about a coming person, and whatever they did promise was discharged long ago in the ordinary run of history. Or the promises were made and not kept. (C2) narrows the field to those three rather than choosing between them, and failure sits on the list with the other two. 3. What the objection cannot do is keep the fulfillment in the future. An arrival still ahead of us is the one position the deadline removes, and it happens to be the position most often held by people who otherwise agree with this objection. Three of the four texts are tied to a structure that has not existed since AD 70. 4. Choosing among them turns on other evidence. Whether anything answering to these promises happened inside the window is a question about the first century, and it is settled by first-century evidence: who lived then, what was claimed, and whether the claims hold up. See also: • CE / Prophecy Fulfillment: Who Is the Servant of Isaiah 53?
+ Haggai and Malachi are addressing the Persian-period restoration on a near horizon: greater glory means the wealth of the nations filling a rebuilt house, and the Lord's coming means judgment on the priesthood. Neither waits five centuries for a visitor.
1. The near-horizon reading is the natural one. Grant it properly, because a case that pretends otherwise has not read the chapters. - Haggai says God is going to "shake the heavens and the earth" and that "they will come with the wealth of all nations," and he puts it "once more, in a little while" (Haggai 2:6-7). A reader who takes that as a promise about silver and gold arriving shortly is following the words. - Malachi's oracle runs straight on from the Lord's coming into a refiner's fire, the purifying of the sons of Levi, and a judgment on sorcerers, adulterers and men who cheat their workers (Malachi 3:2-5). That is priesthood and community, not a gate and a visitor. Reading either passage as a description of one person arriving is an argument that has to be made rather than assumed. 2. The near horizon is the objection's own difficulty. If Haggai's promise is the near one, then it came due within a generation and nothing answered it. The heavens and the earth were not shaken in a little while, and the peace promised in that place never settled over Persian Judea. Every reading of Haggai has to stretch his horizon, which is exactly why the horizon cannot be used to decide between readings. 3. Malachi names the messenger himself. The book's closing lines say who he is: "Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the great and awesome day of the LORD." (Malachi 4:5) That expectation was live in Jewish writing centuries before Christianity, and Ben Sira takes it for granted around 180 BC. A forerunner sent ahead of an arrival is the shape of the promise on Malachi's own terms, and a reading about restored worship still has to find room for him. 4. Both readings leave the deadline exactly where it was. A reader is entitled to set the worship reading and the personal one side by side and weigh them, and nothing here needs that weighing to come out one way. Whatever was promised was promised of a building that stood from 516 BC to AD 70. A worship reading of the content leaves the deadline precisely where a personal reading leaves it.
+ The translation has already decided the question. The Hebrew accents put the main break after the seven weeks, which is why other Bibles have an anointed prince arriving at year forty-nine and a separate sixty-two weeks of building.
1. The accent is a Jewish reading, not a modern invention. The Hebrew Bible carries a system of accent marks that work partly as punctuation, and the strongest of them, the athnach, marks the main pause in a verse. In Daniel 9:25 it falls after "seven weeks." - The Masoretes, the Jewish scholars who fixed the text between roughly the seventh and tenth centuries AD, are the ones who put it there. They were recording how the verse had long been read aloud, not inventing a reading to spite anybody. - Several respected modern translations follow them, which is why two English Bibles opened side by side can look like two different prophecies. The difference is real and worth knowing about. 2. The oldest Hebrew text carries no punctuation at all. The Hebrew was written for centuries without vowels and without accents. Where the pause falls is therefore a reading decision on both sides of this dispute, taken many centuries after the words were written, and it cannot be settled by pointing at a printed Bible and saying the marks are there. An older witness reads it the other way. The Greek Daniel the early church used, the version that goes under the name Theodotion, was made long before the accents were written down, and it runs the seven weeks and the sixty-two together, with the anointed one standing at the end of both. So the joined reading is not a modern rearrangement of somebody else's Bible. It is how a translator was already hearing the bare consonants, in a Greek version the church took over rather than made. 3. The split changes who appears at year forty-nine, not when the anointed one dies. It can be checked in any translation the reader likes. - Verse 26 begins "after the sixty-two weeks," and the sixty-two follow the seven on every reading. So the cutting off still stands at the end of the whole stretch, sixty-nine sevens from the decree, whichever way verse 25 is punctuated. - Verse 26 then puts the destruction of the city and the sanctuary after the cutting off, again on every reading. - The split is a real dispute about the figure at the forty-ninth year, who may be Cyrus, or the high priest Joshua, or Zerubbabel. Nothing in this strand needs that identity settled. 4. What survives is exactly what was claimed. An anointed one is cut off, and then a city and a sanctuary are destroyed (P2). The order is not a translation artifact, and the order is the whole of what this strand runs on.
+ Daniel 9:24 says the seventy weeks end with wrongdoing finished, everlasting righteousness brought in and a holy place anointed. Nothing remotely like that describes the first century, so the weeks did not end there.
1. The verse says all of that. "Seventy weeks are decreed about your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to put an end to sin, and to atone for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal both vision and prophet, and to anoint a most holy place." (Daniel 9:24) Set those six against the world of AD 30 or AD 70 and the gap is not subtle. Nor should it be hurried past: this is the strongest single point in the published rabbinic reply to Christian claims about Daniel 9, and it is argued there in careful detail rather than shouted. 2. The Christian answer is not a patch invented for this verse. Christians have generally held that the six were inaugurated at the cross, meaning set in motion rather than completed, so that atonement is made and everlasting righteousness is begun while the finishing of it is still ahead. That reading is not an escape route built for Daniel 9. It is the shape of the New Testament everywhere: a kingdom that has arrived and is still coming, a victory won and not yet enforced, a deposit paid against a sum not yet handed over. Whatever else it is, it is not special pleading assembled for one awkward line. The cost is real all the same. On this reading the verse describes a world that has not turned up yet, and saying so plainly is better than a paraphrase that makes verse 24 sound easier than it is. 3. The six goals do not touch the order in verse 26. An anointed one cut off before a city and a sanctuary are destroyed is the same sentence whether the six were accomplished, begun or missed. The objection is about who the anointed one was and what his coming achieved. This strand is about what came before what. If the six were simply missed, that is the failure option, and it is already on the table (C2). 4. The same account is unpaid on the readings that compete with this one. Read the seventy weeks of the Maccabean crisis and the goals land in 164 BC, at the rededication of the altar, with decades of warfare under the Maccabees' own dynasty, the Hasmoneans, still ahead. Everlasting righteousness did not arrive then either, which critical commentators handle by saying the author expected an end that did not come. The traditional Jewish reckoning runs into it from the other side. Seder Olam Rabbah, the rabbinic chronology behind the standard Jewish reading of the chapter, counts the seventy weeks from the fall of the first temple to the fall of the second, which ends them in AD 70. Nothing in verse 24 was finished in AD 70 either. An objection that presses just as hard against every reading anyone actually holds cannot be the thing that decides between them.
+ A third temple can still be built. Jews pray daily for the restored service and Ezekiel describes a future sanctuary, so a promise made to "this house" could be collected on the same platform and the window would reopen.
1. The expectation is serious and widely held. Jewish daily prayer asks for the restoration of the temple service. Ezekiel 40 through 48 describes a sanctuary in architectural detail. Christians differ among themselves about whether Scripture expects a temple standing again before the end, and that is an in-house disagreement about how prophecy runs, with thoughtful people on more than one side. Nothing in this argument takes a position on it. 2. Renovating a standing house is not the same as raising one after nineteen centuries. The objection borrows its force from Herod. If his enormous rebuild counted as "this house," why would a new one not count? Because the service never stopped. The same offerings went on being made through the work, on the same site, by the same priesthood (P3). A gap of nineteen hundred years with no altar and no serving high priest is a different kind of thing, and calling both of them "continuity" flattens a real distinction. There is a stronger version of the objection than the Herod comparison, and Haggai himself supplies it. He speaks to that same crowd about the building rising in front of them and the building that stood there before as though the two were one house (Haggai 2:3), and decades of rubble sat between them. So a gap does not by itself break the identification. What the length of a gap changes is who is being paid. Haggai was talking to men on a building site, some of them old enough to weep over what they remembered, and he told them the house they were putting up would outshine it. A house raised on that platform in some future century would be the third on the site, promised to nobody who was standing there. 3. Daniel's sequence is untouched by any future building. An anointed one cut off before the city and the sanctuary are destroyed puts him before AD 70 no matter what gets built later (P2). Whatever a third temple would do to Haggai's promise and Malachi's, it cannot move a death that the text places before a destruction which has already happened. 4. If a third temple could inherit the promise, the deadline rests on Daniel. That is the honest accounting, and it costs something. Two of the three timed texts would go quiet, leaving the deadline resting on Daniel alone, and a cumulative case is built to survive exactly that kind of loss (C1). It would also still be a reading on which God promised surpassing glory to one particular house, let that house burn with the promise outstanding, and settled the account on a different building two thousand years later. Possible. Not obvious, and worth holding up to the light before anyone adopts it.
+ These are not four independent witnesses but four applications of one habit of reading: treat every promise as messianic, treat the messiah as an individual, treat the deadline as AD 70. Strands that fail together do not compound.
1. This is the right question to ask of any cumulative case. It is also the question that kills most of them, and it deserves the compliment of a straight answer. Evidence compounds only when the pieces can fail for different reasons. Four witnesses who all heard the story from the same man are one witness, and a rope wound from a single fiber is not a rope but a thread. 2. These strands fail for different reasons. The clearest test is to look at what the actual critics say, since if the four collapsed into one, a single objection would sink them all. Instead there are four objections, and they have nothing to do with each other. - Against Genesis 49:10 the objection is lexical: nobody can translate Shiloh. - Against Daniel 9 the objection is historical: the anointed one is Onias III and the sanctuary trouble is Antiochus. - Against Haggai the objection is architectural: Herod supplied the greater glory in stone. - Against Malachi the objection is theological: the Lord's coming is a judgment on the priesthood. Not one of those four touches another. That is what independence looks like when it is real. 3. The shared assumption is the condition on the conclusion, not a hidden premise. The conclusion says that if the Messiah promised in these texts has come at all, he came before AD 70 (C2). A reader who denies that any of the four promises a coming deliverer has rejected the opening condition, which is a live move and contradicts nothing that was claimed. The messianic reading is not smuggled in underneath. It is stated up front as the condition it is, where anyone can see it and refuse it. Refusing it is not free, either. The earliest surviving Jewish readings of these texts run the same way, and not one of those readers was a Christian (P1, P2, P4). 4. What the three timed texts share is a building. A building is a deadline. Daniel, Haggai and Malachi all key on the second temple, which is exactly why they end up in the same place. Three reports of one fact would be duplication, and these are not that. One dates a death against a destruction, one promises a glory to the house, and one promises an arrival at its door. Three different kinds of claim, and one address. 5. Haggai and Malachi are counted as one strand, not two. They are not fully independent of each other, and the strict count folds them together for that reason (C1). That is the one place this objection lands, and the number argued from there is three, not four.

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